Since at least 1927, “to carry the torch” (or “carry a torch” for someone) has meant to continue to love and pine for someone long after the object of affection has left the building and any reasonable hope of amorous success has passed.
…from the explanation on WikiAnswers
In my experience, enlightenment and love are separate, and that’s the way it should be..
If you become enlightened via your love of somebody, or them of you, it isn’t really enlightenment.. more a temporary deluded state where you feel happy via the validation of somebody else.
My interpretation of enlightenment is finding inner peace and choosing or at the very least understanding your place in the world.. removing some kind of pressure from your day to day life (I personally feel like I’m carrying a Gorilla on my back every day.)
On dictionary.com, the closest interpretation that had any meaning (in my eyes) was:
Buddhism & Hinduism – A blessed state in which the individual transcends desire and suffering and attains Nirvana. – Source
Which would be a nice way to sum it up if it didn’t bring in a reference to Nirvana at the end, another subjective human construct.
In terms of guidance, I think that is the most you can get in terms of finding your “inner peace” – which is I guess what I’m really talking about here.
I think in my time so far on the planet I’ve given a couple of people guidance/tools they will eventually use on their way to find that inner peace.. but I couldn’t do it all for them. Nobody can.
Thats the most retarded part about this journey.. it has to come from within, and most annoying of all, it’s already there. We’re all carrying around winning lottery tickets for inner peace and happiness, we just have to figure out how to redeem them.
How phallocentric.
Wasn’t He-Man’s alter ego, Adam, a bit overdressed?
Considering the BDSM get up he reveals in times of power.
Floating clown alien fuckers, a Skeletal ubervillain that sounds like a bitter architect, revolving head-men, beastmen? WTF?
It’s no wonder I’m so deeply retarded as an adult.
Class action against Eternia, who’s in?
‘I think in my time so far on the planet I’ve given a couple of people guidance/tools they will eventually use on their way to find that inner peace.. but I couldn’t do it all for them. Nobody can.’
but in saying that, has anyone helped you? in helping others, there are sometimes ways to help yourself. if you see a part of you in someone else, and you know how to fix it, you can help them. but, the same guidance doesn’t always help ourselves, we sometimes need that kick or push in the right direction.
being an all knowing, all mighty unky towny, are there not times when you need or want people to listen to what you have to say, or kick your arse when you need to move in a better direction?
it’s nice and all to help people, but in the process, you can lose chunks of yourself, and fall into spaces where you wish not to be, or you’re left with baggage to carry around, that you need time to process.
everyone is different, i’m not saying everyone is the same, i’m just wondering if, in stating that you have helped others, have you yourself been helped?
“In my experience, enlightenment and love are separate, and that’s the way it should be..”
Hmm, I don’t know about that…I think there is enlightenment to be found in interactions that communicate love (both the act of giving and receiving). The enlightenment might be as simple as realizing that you are loved by x, or that you love x, and based on that, what you want in life, or what you want to do from here on out. Interactions with loved ones can inform your understanding of human beings and interactions between human beings in a general sense, and, can inform you about the consequences of your actions on others. Relations where there is a lot of deep feeling, a lot of love, also lead to realizations about what you consider important in a person, and in life in general. In parent child relations, there’s a lot of ‘enlightenment’ given to the child indirectly by way of positive role modelling from the parents, but maybe i’m stretching the definition of ‘enlightenment’ too far here.
@drakie
Looking at Prince Adam, we might have found one of the origins of the metro-sexual pink shirt we saw a boom in recently..
And if you think you had it bad, try watching He-Man whilst being on the cusp of the anime-hentai revolution, which put a whole new meaning to the word “Beastman.”
Also, try having a head filled with 80′s cartoons, anime porn, Street Fighter 2 moves & tit flicks..
Oh wait.
@beeblecakes
I’m sure people have helped me, but probably not in the way they’ve thought. You take bits and pieces from different experiences in your life, and ultimately it doesn’t matter
what anyone has told me, only what I myself chose to apply. The same goes for everybody. Everyone gets tonnes of advice on what to do and direction on how to handle
things but all of it is pointless unless the person actually applies it.
I cant really comment on whether helping people is rewarding for me.. its too vague and generalized.
@S
Pushing the limits of the word, sure, but isn’t pushing the limits and questioning what we’re taught the entire point? =)
Words mean different things to different people, and are subjective, but we might as well stick to dictionary definitions, since without a mutual linguistic base, we aren’t
going to make much progress..
I think the only enlightenment [knowledge] I’ve found through my relationships with women is either that;
A: I’m a cunt
or 2: I’m a 14 year old girl
That’s my experience.
The parent-child relationship cant really be compared, its totally different. It’s parenting, and a mother-son relationship has completely different dynamics and benefits to a romantic one with the opposite sex.
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No. 1 — August 17th, 2009 at 16:55
what’s the torch stand for?
No. 2 — August 17th, 2009 at 17:13
“to secretly love someone who does not love you”
…definition on The Free Dictionary
Since at least 1927, “to carry the torch” (or “carry a torch” for someone) has meant to continue to love and pine for someone long after the object of affection has left the building and any reasonable hope of amorous success has passed.
…from the explanation on WikiAnswers
No. 3 — August 18th, 2009 at 11:35
note to self.. don’t fart near dman and his open flame.
No. 4 — August 18th, 2009 at 12:04
you cant make that promise Claire..
No. 5 — August 18th, 2009 at 19:21
that’s kinda surprising. i thought it might’ve stood for enLIGHTenment or some sort of guidance.
No. 6 — August 19th, 2009 at 10:44
In my experience, enlightenment and love are separate, and that’s the way it should be..
If you become enlightened via your love of somebody, or them of you, it isn’t really enlightenment.. more a temporary deluded state where you feel happy via the validation of somebody else.
My interpretation of enlightenment is finding inner peace and choosing or at the very least understanding your place in the world.. removing some kind of pressure from your day to day life (I personally feel like I’m carrying a Gorilla on my back every day.)
On dictionary.com, the closest interpretation that had any meaning (in my eyes) was:
Buddhism & Hinduism – A blessed state in which the individual transcends desire and suffering and attains Nirvana. – Source
Which would be a nice way to sum it up if it didn’t bring in a reference to Nirvana at the end, another subjective human construct.
In terms of guidance, I think that is the most you can get in terms of finding your “inner peace” – which is I guess what I’m really talking about here.
I think in my time so far on the planet I’ve given a couple of people guidance/tools they will eventually use on their way to find that inner peace.. but I couldn’t do it all for them. Nobody can.
Thats the most retarded part about this journey.. it has to come from within, and most annoying of all, it’s already there. We’re all carrying around winning lottery tickets for inner peace and happiness, we just have to figure out how to redeem them.
No. 7 — August 19th, 2009 at 15:37
Torch?
Looks more like an M16 to me. Gettin’ ready to smoke all that useless unrequited gumbo.
Semper Fi.
No. 8 — August 19th, 2009 at 15:51
It’s actually He-Man’s sword.. BY THE POWER OF GRAYSKULL!
No. 9 — August 19th, 2009 at 16:21
How phallocentric.
Wasn’t He-Man’s alter ego, Adam, a bit overdressed?
Considering the BDSM get up he reveals in times of power.
Floating clown alien fuckers, a Skeletal ubervillain that sounds like a bitter architect, revolving head-men, beastmen? WTF?
It’s no wonder I’m so deeply retarded as an adult.
Class action against Eternia, who’s in?
No. 10 — August 19th, 2009 at 20:20
‘I think in my time so far on the planet I’ve given a couple of people guidance/tools they will eventually use on their way to find that inner peace.. but I couldn’t do it all for them. Nobody can.’
but in saying that, has anyone helped you? in helping others, there are sometimes ways to help yourself. if you see a part of you in someone else, and you know how to fix it, you can help them. but, the same guidance doesn’t always help ourselves, we sometimes need that kick or push in the right direction.
being an all knowing, all mighty unky towny, are there not times when you need or want people to listen to what you have to say, or kick your arse when you need to move in a better direction?
it’s nice and all to help people, but in the process, you can lose chunks of yourself, and fall into spaces where you wish not to be, or you’re left with baggage to carry around, that you need time to process.
everyone is different, i’m not saying everyone is the same, i’m just wondering if, in stating that you have helped others, have you yourself been helped?
No. 11 — August 20th, 2009 at 19:47
“In my experience, enlightenment and love are separate, and that’s the way it should be..”
Hmm, I don’t know about that…I think there is enlightenment to be found in interactions that communicate love (both the act of giving and receiving). The enlightenment might be as simple as realizing that you are loved by x, or that you love x, and based on that, what you want in life, or what you want to do from here on out. Interactions with loved ones can inform your understanding of human beings and interactions between human beings in a general sense, and, can inform you about the consequences of your actions on others. Relations where there is a lot of deep feeling, a lot of love, also lead to realizations about what you consider important in a person, and in life in general. In parent child relations, there’s a lot of ‘enlightenment’ given to the child indirectly by way of positive role modelling from the parents, but maybe i’m stretching the definition of ‘enlightenment’ too far here.
No. 12 — August 24th, 2009 at 10:49
wow this took a turn for the srs. allow me to lighten the mood. (.).)
No. 13 — August 24th, 2009 at 16:16
@drakie
Looking at Prince Adam, we might have found one of the origins of the metro-sexual pink shirt we saw a boom in recently..
And if you think you had it bad, try watching He-Man whilst being on the cusp of the anime-hentai revolution, which put a whole new meaning to the word “Beastman.”
Also, try having a head filled with 80′s cartoons, anime porn, Street Fighter 2 moves & tit flicks..
Oh wait.
@beeblecakes
I’m sure people have helped me, but probably not in the way they’ve thought. You take bits and pieces from different experiences in your life, and ultimately it doesn’t matter
what anyone has told me, only what I myself chose to apply. The same goes for everybody. Everyone gets tonnes of advice on what to do and direction on how to handle
things but all of it is pointless unless the person actually applies it.
I cant really comment on whether helping people is rewarding for me.. its too vague and generalized.
@S
Pushing the limits of the word, sure, but isn’t pushing the limits and questioning what we’re taught the entire point? =)
Words mean different things to different people, and are subjective, but we might as well stick to dictionary definitions, since without a mutual linguistic base, we aren’t
going to make much progress..
I think the only enlightenment [knowledge] I’ve found through my relationships with women is either that;
A: I’m a cunt
or 2: I’m a 14 year old girl
That’s my experience.
The parent-child relationship cant really be compared, its totally different. It’s parenting, and a mother-son relationship has completely different dynamics and benefits to a romantic one with the opposite sex.
@deathbypanda
8===D
No. 14 — August 24th, 2009 at 18:16
i tried to do a pee pee but it didn’t look right. you’ve shown me the way. so you DO learn something new everyday !!
No. 15 — September 23rd, 2009 at 15:17
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